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James Garbarino of Loyola University describes his efforts to bridge the gap in legal proceedings between the 'social history' typically provided by social work and the 'diagnosis' provided by clinical psychology. Garbarino reflects on his twenty years of experience as a psychological expert witness in murder cases to highlight the humanity we share with killers and the role of understanding and empathy in breaking the cycle of violence. Recorded Feb. 19, 2015 as part of the BCTR Talks at Twelve series.